Jelly Roll

And I spent, I'd say maybe two or three weeks in his cabin with this sweet old woman.

And it was like, uh,

No phone, out in the woods.

I walked every day.

I played with the horses.

I mean, I just went late in grass.

And it really took me all the way back through all my years.

And it was the first time that I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight.

I tried to figure out why I was carrying the weight.

And that's whenever I figured out that overeating for me wasn't a failure of discipline.

I'm a pretty disciplined guy.

It was just a biological thing.

I hadn't learned how to interrupt.

I've been doing it my whole life.

It had been my constant go to for stress.

It had been it was everywhere all the time.

I was eating for I had to start figuring out what I was actually hungry for.

You know, like when we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups.

Like, if you're 340 pounds here, 330 pounds here, you know, depending on your height, of course, you might be dealing with a discipline issue.

Maybe you just like extra food.