Jen Psaki

He's happy Caroline Lovett said that, though it feels like quite a leap from making a lot of phone calls, doesn't it, to being the guy in charge of negotiating face to face with your geopolitical adversary?

I don't know.

Feels like a leap to me.

Now, to add to the pressure on Vance, Trump seems pretty eager to put the responsibility for resolving this war entirely on his shoulders.

Like he's an observer of the process of the war he started, what could go wrong?

Joining me now are two people I spent a lot of time with when we were all a part of the team negotiating the Iran nuclear agreement that Donald Trump, of course, tore up.

Rob Malley was President Obama's lead negotiator on President Obama's 2015 nuclear deal.

And Admiral John Kirby is the former Pentagon spokesperson, former State Department spokesperson, and now an MSNOW national security analyst.

Rob, why don't we start with you?

Just as Vice President Vance was taking off for Pakistan today, the guy he's supposed to be sitting across from in the negotiations, the Speaker of Iran's parliament, said that negotiations in Pakistan can't even begin until there's a ceasefire in Lebanon and Iran's assets are unblocked.

I know, obviously...

The Iranians are often speaking to the audience of people in their own country, but what did you make of that?

I mean, is there a chance that they don't show up, or what do you think?

All right, we're going to be watching.

Let me, Admiral Kirby, you have prepped secretaries of defense, secretaries of state, presidents.

You've spoken yourself publicly during negotiations.

I mean, so little of what Trump is saying right now really makes sense.

Sometimes we try to say maybe he means this, maybe he means that.

And often it's like garbly gook and we don't know what it means.

I mean, he's threatened to end Iran's civilization.