Jennifer Aguilar
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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And this American workers justification, this is what Chloe East has specifically been studying.
citizen workers. In other words, under that simplest sort of diagram of all this, you might assume that reducing the number of immigrants would increase jobs and wages of U.S.-born workers.
And Chloe says that is a pretty big assumption that can be hard to test. But as she looked at the Obama-era Secure Communities Initiative, she realized that it was an ideal natural experiment.
Plus, once Secure Communities started somewhere, it was pretty much a uniform program of deportation. It didn't matter a place's political leanings, their own local views on immigration, how local law enforcement worked.
What they found was that when people without legal status were removed from a labor market, it did not lead to more jobs for U.S. citizens. It had the opposite effect. It led to fewer jobs for U.S. citizens.
Right. That's a big effect. It is. So why? Why might that be happening?
And this isn't just about deportations. Chloe says secure communities likely also had a chilling effect. You know, people would have stopped working, didn't want to leave their homes or maybe even left the U.S. completely. All of that would be a hit to the local economy and would cause a drop in jobs for U.S.-born workers.
This is exactly what we saw happening in the Little Village neighborhood in Chicago.
She means complementary in the economic sense. Complements are goods or services that are used together, as opposed to substitutes, which essentially compete with each other.
Or take a restaurant. If a restaurant can't find anyone to bus tables, they will hire fewer waiters and waitresses.
After the break, how all of this economic theory is playing out in the real world. Right now, the chilling effect in action. Here in Chicago's little village, there's this restaurant that's been around since the 70s. It's one of those places that everyone says to check out. Nuevo Leon. The best Mexican food. It was opened by an immigrant. Always a scene.
We got there, and it was this big, beautiful mural building. It sounded wild. Yeah. It had this big marquee sign out front with these light bulbs that sounded like they were about to explode. Here we go.
Cut.
So we went in and it quickly became clear to us that this one restaurant is a microcosm of all the things that economist Chloe East had described.
Do you have some time for us?
She joined us at a table for her couple minutes and we asked her, what has it been like the last few days?
I'm looking around and it's lunchtime. It's like noon right now. And this is a very big restaurant we're in. It holds 170 people. 170 people. I do not see 170 people in here. And when you came in, you were the only table. We were the only ones. Is this typical?
It's that chilling effect. She's had to halve her orders to all her suppliers, cut hours for her employees. She's going day by day right now. And despite everything, feeling somehow still kind of cautiously optimistic.
Our couple minutes with Laura comes to an end. She leaves our table and heads back to work.
After we left Chicago, we checked back in on Little Village. It's been two days since our visit and still no raids as of this recording. Today's episode of Planet Money was produced by Willa Rubin with an assist from Emma Peasley. It was edited by Kenny Malone. It was engineered by Sina Lafredo and fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer. I'm Erika Barris.
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