Jennifer Forde

Yeah, 2018, yeah.

Yeah, we didn't have any idea that it would be.

And I think increasingly now we realize it really is down to the luck we had with the people that we were working with who were American and...

just very, you know, they had kind of ambitions for it beyond what we could have seen, I think.

And, you know, really brought that idea of making it about the place.

I think the sense of place, you know, West Cork is kind of what, you know, it was such a different way of looking at the story because I think it gave us our structure.

Yeah.

of kind of telling the story from the perspective of what it would have been like to live there at the time and experience it as it unfolded.

And I think that really got us out of the hole of how do you tell this story to people that know it so well and have lived through it for the last 20 years and people who've never heard of Ian Bailey or Sophie Toscan de Plantier.

So, you know, just telling it kind of chronologically and letting the story unfold

And the kind of character development that way allowed it to, as I say, it kind of answered a lot of the questions that we had as to how you do that, I think.

Yeah, BBC Sounds, but it went out on Radio 4 as well.

Went out on Radio 4.

Ah, yeah.

I think so.

And I think what was interesting about him was it was, you know, because I think when we took it to the BBC, that was the big question.

Is anyone going to talk to you?

Because, you know, we are not, this isn't our beat.

So it was a bit similar, like you mentioned with West Cork, we would be very much kind of outsiders going into this.

closed world.