Jennifer Forde

I mean, it's the world of espionage.

They're not traditionally people who talk to journalists.

So it definitely felt like a coup to get this guy.

But I think what was particularly interesting was that like,

You know, this was a story.

Sam was curious about it.

He was kind of interested with our friend and producer, Larry.

They would send, you know, messages about it back and forth.

And, you know, I am interested in Cuba.

I've been there a couple of times, but...

You know, that were, am I interested in a hunt for a secret weapon?

Maybe.

Would I listen to podcasts about it?

Probably not.

Do you know what I mean?

And then I listened to this interview.

This, you know, Sam did some recordings with this guy.

And I was like, oh, this isn't just...

This isn't just a victim of something in a straightforward way where he's going to tell you that this thing happened to them and then we'll move on.

It felt like there was something about the way that he was talking that made me question whether I could trust him.