Jennifer Pattison Tuohy

So we're sort of seeing a democratization, I suppose, of these smart features because both the Nest and the Ecobee

You can now buy a smart thermostat for, you know, $100, $150.

And I think we'll start to see only a couple work with Apple right now, the adaptive features, but I think we'll start to see more of those, especially with smartphones.

because it's all through matter.

So we're starting to see, again, to get less expensive to get these smarter features.

And I like his point that we don't upgrade our thermostats very often.

Yeah.

So this is a sort of concern people have had about appliances in general, not just around smart, just as they get more technologically advanced, they last less time.

Like people talk about their grandmother's washing machine that goes for 20 years, whereas now most of them, you're lucky if you get your washing machine to last like a decade.

And the trade-off, though, is that these washing machines can do so much more than your grandma's, in theory, depending on what you're looking for from your washing machine.

Use less water, use less energy, being able to schedule them, being able to program.

I can program a dog bed mode into my washing machine.

There are benefits.

So that's the trade-off.

I think for a device like a thermostat,

The only real reason to, I mean, Nest has told us with theirs, 10 years is basically what you can expect, right?

Because they end of lifed their original Nest thermostat.

I think it was almost 13 years.

Although you can still use it.

And this is a key part for any, we've talked about this before, but it's worth repeating, any smart appliance you buy in your home.