Jennifer Pattison Tuohy

You want to make sure that the basic functions will continue even once you have disconnected it from the internet, because you need to disconnect it from the internet once it gets to the point where it's not getting software updates so it doesn't become part of a giant DDoS attack.

So you definitely, but as long as those devices can still work the way they were intended to as a basic function, which the Nests can, even though Nest is now discontinued sport, there is, you know, that's the trade-off.

Look for that, and then local control.

To your main point about the AI, if you don't want some of these features that either your thermostat company or your smart home platform is pushing on you, or eventually maybe your energy platform, if you don't want those features, you need to look for a device that you're going to still be able to control locally.

And this is where Matter comes in because it will allow, once a platform takes away support, the device should still be able to work on your local network.

Yeah.

It's hard to know for sure, though, until we actually see this happen.

This is all somewhat theoretical.

But yeah, that's what I would definitely advise, a device that can work locally, can also run locally if you still want some of the smart features, and then you can kind of take or leave, hopefully.

if people are pushing AI features at you.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I was there with you, Rhys.

I was shouting at them at the same time.

Maybe not about IKEA specifically, but yes.

So again, just spent a whole week talking to companies about the value of matter in the smart home.

And I agree with you.

Companies like IKEA are the ones that are going to benefit from matter because its core promise is value.

Basic interoperability for both the manufacturer and the user.

So a company like IKEA that makes furniture doesn't have to worry about developing separate routes to work with Apple and work with Alexa and spending the engineering resources on that.

They can just use one platform or one standard matter and it should work perfectly.