Jennifer Swann

Yeah.

And I did feel like in some ways it felt like a...

i don't know like indoctrination is not the right word but i think at first and this is something that i've heard from my friends too or like people our age where they're like i don't get it like what's the deal with this music it's really bad like why do people like this and it was this thing where like at first i was like yeah i don't get it i don't know why people are so obsessed with him um his songs really are earworms like i would be listening to his like youtube videos and like trying to be like let me look for clues let me see what this is about and like find myself like i was

sort of disgusted with myself because i would find myself like singing it or like singing the lyrics like they're incredibly catchy and there's just like something that kind of happened over time where i was like okay i think i get it

I think David.

Yeah.

Not until after I heard about Celeste Rivas Hernandez's murder.

I think like David existed in this place where like to a certain like, you know, children and teens and like maybe 20 somethings.

He was extremely popular for a particular subset.

And then like anyone who aged out of that group, it was like everyone's just like, I don't know who this guy is.

Is he really famous?

So I only heard about him.

after the murder and then had no idea he had this like rabid fan community.

yeah yeah and i think like when people were hearing about him for the first time they were like oh he must be a rapper like there was all this misinformation that people like his actual fans would get sort of upset about um but yeah i mean people called it bedroom pop like it's definitely the appeal you know is that he's like i made this on my phone i laid some beats down here's some like you know royalty for youtube music and so like it sounds very emo to me like it kind of sounds like a throwback from like

I don't know, like music kids were into when I was in high school of just like, yeah, like very slow, kind of like sad boy songs.

Thank you so much for having me.

Love what you've done with the show.

I was like thinking about it, everything that you've covered and I was like, oh my God, everything just keeps getting crazier in our world.

So it always feels loaded when someone's like, how are you?

I'm like, I'm okay.