Jenny Friel

So they're admitting that it was...

We will go into more detail, but some of the other things that I suppose jumped out was that there was great inexperience in the team that looked at this.

So even though that the flags were being raised by Tanya and Nuala and by nurses who dealt with Katie when she came into the hospital, they were either willfully ignored or just people weren't...

experienced enough to understand what they were being told or what they should have been looking at.

So this review has gone out.

There's already a report and an apology been done by the police ombudsman, PSNI.

But this, I suppose, was called for the Northern Ireland's Justice Minister, Naomi Long.

Yeah.

is, I suppose, a more forensic look, although they have stated that they're not looking at kind of, you know, naming individuals who would have been at fault, that it is more kind of like a general overview of where things went wrong.

I think there, I think, according to Tanya, is there anyone left?

I don't think so.

You know, during the podcast was how...

these girls and generally young women who go in or girls, they're not even young women going in as young as like 12, 13 into stable yards.

And, you know, there is no regulation.

There are a lot of men in charge of these very eager girls who, you know, whose life are ponies.

And that's certainly how we established that Jonathan Creswell was because it wasn't obviously just Katie and Christina and Christina was abused as well.

We need to acknowledge that.

And in fairness to all of them, they've all kind of talked about that.

He was violent to them.

There was, you know, he played a lot of mind games.