Jenny Holland

It's such a spiritual failing on their part.

They can't recover from that.

Catholics, on the other hand, while it's obviously full of their own problems, institutionally speaking, the Catholic, the perception of Catholicism and the practice of Catholicism, as we always say here, is the laity.

The practice has remained stable and family-based.

You're absolutely right.

The correct theological term for what you're describing there about the woke and the drag queens is scandal.

It is putting an obstacle to belief in people's way.

That's what that is.

It is an obstacle to belief.

I can't close this segment

jenny holland without coming back to your heckle at the beginning of this the um the the brits who left our glorious scepter aisle to go over to america um weren't refugees they were pilgrims okay

Terminology is important.

Jenny, we'll be back later with you in the show to talk about your spiritual progress.

As we say constantly, you are the only atheist I know who prays the rosary every day.

You're probably the only person I know who prays the rosary every day.

You'll be telling us more about the spiritual fruits that you've got on the back of that.

I don't know if you mentioned it, but I just want to repeat the thing again from the study, the 2023 Cooperative Election Study, the CES study.

which has become available now, in fact, that is 21% of Generation Z adults identify as Catholic, compared with 19% who describe themselves as Protestant.

Those are the figures.

And I think it's basically the Catholics are sort of declining,