Jenny Holland

It doesn't foster thoughts towards what's this great, gratuitous gift that God, Father Almighty, has given to mankind in his son, he himself, the divine being coming down.

It is.

I think Bill's got it right.

It's sick and twisted.

What was your take on this?

Let me put it this way.

Let me put it this way.

Even giving the Stuttgart diocese the benefit of the doubt here, right, it would seem that they're lacking prudence, right?

and counsel.

Counsel being one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, prudence being one of the cardinal virtues.

The very best, they seem to be lacking

those two particular graces.

And what does that tell you about the hierarchy, the German hierarchy, that is a manifestly lacking both prudence and counsel?

Now, I think it was absolutely astonishing, Frank, really astonishing, not surprising, but this just shows you how the decline takes place.

When people, when our pastors, our bishops, our shepherds are lacking in supernatural faith, if you're lacking in supernatural faith, you're going to be lacking in the supernatural graces as well, right?

It is.

That is exactly what they're doing.

Frank, stand by.

I desperately want to get to Jenny now to discuss her spiritual journey.

Before we do that, I just gave a shout out in the first half of the show.