Jeremy Boreing

And they would say, well, you're not real podcast if you're real podcasts are audio only.

And then the last three or four years of going to podcast conferences, every single panel is how to add video to your podcast.

Right.

No, totally.

We've always thought of Trigonometry as a show.

Of course.

I think podcast is a kind of legacy term, but we've got right into the conversation.

We want to talk also about the Pendragon Cycle, which is super exciting that you've just released.

And you've got straight into the conversation we wanted to have first, which is about new media

There's something that you were kind of at the roots of from the very beginning.

So talk to us about that and how you see the landscape, because obviously there's been a lot going on, as I'm sure you're aware.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, when we started The Daily Wire in 2015, all of this was very new.

Obviously, there were people involved on the right in America in new media long before we were.

Andrew Breitbart, obviously a mentor to both Ben and I.

Matt Drudge charging the way.

You had the sort of bloggers who were really instrumental in fighting off a lot of early left-wing narratives online, like Little Green Footballs and some guys like that.

But I think that what we really...

brought to the table was we were one of the first to really see the opening in social media, and we were the first to see the opportunity in podcasting to see these two new areas, one which we thought could be incredibly effective for marketing and distribution, and the other which we thought could be a great medium for actually getting our message out.

And we married those two things and had a huge amount of success in the early days, particularly around Facebook, because it was the Wild West back then.