Jeremy Carl
Appearances
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Well, first of all, I mean, immigration, to paraphrase what Bill and Hillary Clinton used to say about abortion in the 90s, immigration should be safe, legal, and rare. In a natural market economy, there is no such thing as a long-term labor shortage, right? That is not natural.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
The labor shortage, the ongoing quote-unquote labor shortage, is increasingly worse because of our H-1B visa system and most of our visa systems, actually. Right. When the H-1B system was created in 1990, by the way, it's not like we had this in 1776 and we needed to bring Albert Einstein or Albert Einstein came without an H-1B visa.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
The studies done justifying an H-1B system was created about wages, not about talent. It was about how do one... Our employers get involved in the Asian market and to how to how our employers work within a talent pool to work within a wage that works for them to suppress wages. The average H-1B visa worker in this country makes less than one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
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The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
These are not all, you know, the next Tesla or the next Elon Musk or the next anybody. And there's been consistent cases of visa fraud in the last two years under the Biden administration. There were two big cases, one being most famously Facebook, which was going straight to foreign countries through the H-1B visa system. And they were discriminating wholeheartedly against Americans.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I think Facebook had to pay $15 million or $14 million for wholeheartedly just disqualifying Americans and discriminating against them. And then there's another company called Larson and Turbo Infotech. They're a company I think that has been like 4.6, 4.7 million in fines because they were firing Americans, qualified Americans, and replacing them with Indian H-1B workers.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
The idea that this is like a DEI program for mediocre Americans who like like Slater over Screech on Saved by the Bell, is completely just wholeheartedly not true. Many times it's qualified Americans who've worked in these jobs for long periods of time who have been displaced by H-1B foreign workers.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
He's American-born, but yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Right. Well, O-1 visa is for exceptional talent and it ranges, right? It ranges from like supermodels and artists to people who are science and math wizards who have unique talents and they're the best. their country and of the world. If you wanted to bring only Albert Einsteins into this country, right, there are not a lot of geniuses walking around in everyday life in any society whatsoever.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
You could probably reduce the entire visa system of geniuses just down to 2,000 people a year rather than the 85,000 H-1Bs. H-1Bs They do work of accountants sometimes. They do work of low-skill technology laborers. And when people come on an H-1B visa, their residency to the United States is attached to their visa. Sorry, to their work, to their occupation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So they cannot ever leave their job unless it means leaving the United States. They are basically removed from the market of being able to compete for a better job or a better or a better, you know, more qualified bonuses or increased salaries. It's literally to suppress those people's wages. And a lot of them sometimes are not tremendously skilled.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Between 55 to 40% of all H-1B visa applications were for jobs that made $100,000 a year or less. These aren't the top talent, and many of them can be filled by Americans.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Right. Well, according to the census, 72 percent of Americans with STEM degrees do not have a job in the STEM field. I repeat that 72 percent, according to census numbers. Other numbers, according to different social scientists and economists. Range it between 30 and 60 percent. But the most people say it is a majority of Americans with STEM degrees do not have STEM jobs. They can't get them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Secondly, the idea and you've seen this a lot on the internet. I'm sure that American education is just so antiquated, so bad that like we need to bring in workers from other countries because we rank like 15th or 16th in the world for math and science.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
We rank 15th or 16th according to the PISA scores in elementary schools behind only a handful of countries, mostly in Western Europe and East Asia. Most countries in the world do not even take the PISA tests because they score so badly. India, for example, which has become a hot button subject given how many applicants come from India.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
India has not taken the test since 2009 because the last time they took the test, They ranked second to last behind sub-Saharan Africa. So the idea that our students are just so incredibly stupid and we shouldn't invest in the youth of America because they're just being displaced by hardworking people who, you know, they don't love the prom king. They love the math wizard in school.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
That is insane. completely and totally incoherent and not correct whatsoever. There is no data that ever backs that up. I mean, yes, there are some people in East Asia, some people in Western Europe that are doing better in math and science than ours, but overall, not even a question. It's not even close. The American talent is far overwhelming than that of other countries.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Listen, Charlie, one of my donors for my PAC, who is a very, very wealthy individual, said to me one day, and they're white, and they said, I am genuinely worried that my children cannot get a good enough job and they'll be discriminated because of their race. We have seen this time and time and time again. It is...
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
a silent conversation that a lot of people and middle-class parents have with their kids. And they worry about technological changes. They worry about AI. They worry about how will their kid get a job, but also about the disqualifications on just being a white person.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
So despite the fact this is an interesting this is according to the census and the CDC, despite the fact that Native Americans, people of American Indian ancestry, have some of the lowest birth rates in history in an entire country, their population is increasing every single year. Now, we can't import more American Indians and Native Americans. So where are they coming from?
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
It's white people saying they're one 16th Cherokee just so they can check off a different box. So they are not discriminated against and they feel it and they're worried about it. And hopefully more states take action using the Harvard lawsuit saying you can't discriminate people based on race for jobs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
What I was saying is that there was a lot of people, middle American people, who are genuinely worried that their children will be discriminated against in employment and in government contracts, that they're small business owners or at college admissions because of their skin color. And that is why you're seeing an enormous amount of people reset point that, oh, I'm one 16th Cherokee.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Therefore, I am not white. I'm Native American. It's the Elizabeth Warren story. That is what a lot of people are doing because there is a genuine fear of it. And there is a lot of discrimination from corporations when it comes to hiring Americans. I mean, that's just that has been proven evident in all of these lawsuits over H-1B visa fraud.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I think that it's funny. I've just been writing about this. I think that if you know, listen, we have a new coalition within the Republican Party that Donald Trump built in 2024. It is very working class. We have seen overseas people build new coalitions that give them governing majorities.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
We just saw it in the UK when they had Brexit and Boris Johnson built this fabulously large conservative party organization. of working class people to achieve Brexit. The people wanted lower levels of immigration. The Tories did not. And so the Tories were thrown out.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
If tech bros who did not like the trans stuff or the woke stuff or the taxes or whatever they did not like that are crime in the cities, whatever they didn't like that brought them to the Republican Party, if they believe that that means they can remake the Republican Party or the MAGA Party or the Donald Trump coalition,
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
In their image, they are being extremely naive because the genuine consensus from Americans is there has been too much immigration and we need to have lower limits. That means we discriminate against people from certain regions of the country or race or religion or whatever. It just means we need lower levels. We need to take a me time, a pause.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
In some capacity, we bring in over a million people per year, most generous nation in the world as far as refugees go and asylum seekers go. We need some me time to work on our Americans who have been suffering because of the Biden administration. And by the way, before that, under the Obama administration.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
I mean, it's been 16 years at the last or sorry, 12 years of the last 16 of Democrat control. And it hasn't always worked out. So I think that really taking a pause, taking a me time from a constant overflow of people. wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And if anyone thinks they're going to change that because they have money or a social media platform or a podcast or whatever the case is, they are very, very, very mistaken.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And telling Americans, sorry, you're too fat and like the wrong people and you're too lazy and you rooted for Screech over Slater on Saved by the Bell from 35 years ago is really not a winning message to politicians and to people who aspire to run for president again.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Because in most parts of the country, they still live in the 1950s. They live in in single family homes in neighborhoods that are over demographically one or two demographic, like two racial demographics and very good schools. They don't live in the rest of America. In closing, in 2020, there was a Cato. Cato was open borders, 100%. They did a study. They did a poll.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And it was like 44% of Americans wanted a 90% reduction in illegal immigration. It was like 75% wanted a 50% cut in illegal immigration. And among the Republican base, and that was before Biden. That was all before the Biden invasion. Right now, it's got to be close to 90 percent of Republicans and probably over 60 percent of independents say we need a pause.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And if this moment did anything besides making them realize that, hey, they're not giving up just because, you know, we won the election or they like Elon Musk now or they like whoever, whatever the case may be, they really feel this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
And this has to be achieved in some way in order to make the base feel like they are that they're voting for Trump and putting everything in line for Trump meant something.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Americans Come First: The Truth about H-1B Visas and "Skilled Worker" Immigration
Thanks, Charlie, for having me.