Jesse Carey
👤 SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
Yeah.
Where the sort of the Surkov method was, we just don't want you to know what is real and what is not.
And in the vacuum of that truth, we can just hold authority.
And so it was a totally different method of misinformation.
And so you see a lot of that too.
Yeah, he's still alive.
He's sort of on the outs with the Kremlin right now.
That's one thing.
No one, whether it's Pergosian or Surkov or whoever,
No one stays close to that level of power, especially in Russia, for a variety of reasons, mostly like corruption and things like that.
Sometimes people know too much and become a liability.
He's still alive, though.
There was an interview... Let's get him on the pod.
He actually did an interview...
it was like three months ago, but he had been silent for a couple of years.
He's not an old guy.
Like he's reasonably young.
Yeah.
And he was sort of this wonder Ken.
Yeah.