Jesse Carey

By the way, Sirkov's mom was named Karen and he hated her.

No, but there's definitely stuff that happens with our own intelligence.

Like, even going back to the UFO thing, right?

So, the Richard Doty, like Paul Bennett would steal, where they're running, like, this gaslighting site.

Because ultimately, it was the same thing.

Like, this guy saw too much, right?

Yeah.

So, how do we protect a national security secret?

That's a crazy way to protect it.

It is to, like, basically let him...

It's not to sort of protect the information.

It's to discredit the messenger and make people not know what to believe.

There was a guy we talk about.

His name was Leon Davidson.

He's kind of an obscure figure, but you can actually read some of these memos and stuff he wrote.

So this guy worked on the Manhattan Project, and he had high-level DOD clearance.

And he around the time he was working was around the time MK Ultra was first kicking off.

And so for MK Ultra ultimately was the quest to see if drugs could be used to, you know, essentially as a method of mind control, particularly like massive doses of LSD.

But around that same time, so the government's already really interested in actively experimenting with mind control, in this case, on their own people.

Leon Davidson claims that they were so concerned about hiding advanced aviation technology.