Jesse Carey

No, I don't think anything outside of Leon Davidson, but he's, he's a credible figure.

Yeah.

And, and, and like I said, this is, he's not around anymore.

Leon Davidson, you know, but like,

Like I said, I don't think there's anything that's verifiable other than what he said happened, but he's not a discreditable figure, you know?

Yeah.

But even with Ron Braun, there's so much... This is a rabbit trail, but there's so much weird stuff with the Rocket Tree program.

just weird even today like a lot of occult symbolism within nasa and like it's it's whack well that's another another project i've been interested in doing now we we did black project and psyop is it's a look at the have you guys are you familiar with like the jack parsons story

So, so he was, uh, this is a rabbit trail from the side deal, but like he, he corresponded with Warner von Braun.

Uh, so Jack Parsons, like the father of American rocketry.

That's right.

Okay.

Yeah.

He was a young guy.

I mean, he died early, like early mid thirties, kind of suspicious circumstances, but he blew up in his own workshop, like tinkering with stuff.

But he so this was a dude who wasn't like for he was kind of an outsider as a kid, you know, but was just obsessed with blowing stuff up.

And he lived in Pasadena.

And so he kind of had a troubled upbringing, but he didn't have like a formal education.

But him and his buddies were always just blowing stuff up.

And anyway, you fast forward to his mid-20s, and he's sort of like this savant when it comes to rocketry.