Jesse Carey

Maybe you heard of it.

Stanford.

And so anyway, he gets to talk to him.

He's like, I got to know how they incurred these brain injuries.

long story short these guys tell them that they encountered exotic materials during what seemed to be crash retrieval programs and and so you know it sent this guy down this rabbit hole and it's one of those things when you have someone correct because everyone's got like a theory about this kind of stuff but when we're doing black project

I wanted to be really careful about who we're talking to because one kind of sideways voice can kind of discredit the whole thing.

Sure.

You know?

Yeah.

And so talking to him, talking to like Richard Dolan, who is like a UFO researcher, but he's also super pragmatic about it.

He's the British guy, right?

No, that was Nick Cook.

Okay, Nick Cook.

His stuff was cool.

Dude, so his story is wild too.

And that's one that I didn't want to do that documentary if we couldn't get him.

Because I really felt like he kind of anchored it.

So, well, I think the British accent helps too.

Credibility.

But he was the editor of a publication called Jane's Defense Weekly.