Jesse Carey

which Jane's defense weekly in the defense world is like a really big deal.

You know, it's, it's, it's every kind of, uh, contractor and aviation company references Jane's defense weekly.

And he gets access to like Bucky Martin skunk works.

Everyone gives them access.

And he started like seeing stuff that kind of made him curious about what is kind of being hidden behind the curtains.

But he's also kind of top of the pyramid with having to kind of be the arbiter of what is credible in that in that world, because a lot of people pay a lot of money to get access to things.

the information he produces yeah anyway someone sent him like kind of anonymously these magazine articles i think they're from the 1960s that said like the anti-gravitic age is here and it showed these craft being tested and this was in aviation publications

Fast forward a couple of years, that just all goes away.

And so he got curious, like, did it just go dark?

Yeah.

And so he wrote this really cool book called The Hunt for Zero Point because he just became fascinated.

Like, what if there are black programs within the, you know, sort of military industrial complex?

Yeah.

that are hiding super powerful technology that could have implications beyond just anti-gravitic aviation technology like the crux of it is like is there a way it has there been something discovered beyond traditional propulsion that can be utilized and and the implication is and you guys you've probably gone down these anti-gravitic rabbit holes or whatever

but it would essentially like the wrinkle in time thing, like pull space time together.

So if the craft is here and it wants to get to this destination, instead of using, you know, burning fuel and pushing it really fast, it could somehow pull that space time together and, and seem to almost teleport.

And so he got really curious about this and did, you know, want to kind of trace, like, when did this first start showing up?

And that's when he got into, like, the whole, like, Foo Fighters and Orbs thing.

Yeah.

In World War II.