Jesse Carey

And traced it all the way through, like, you know, he did a deep dive.

He went to the site of, like, the Nazi bell.

...they came upon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And...

So the weird thing about the Nazi bell... Well, no, it's kind of vanished, but the, like, structure that supported it was still around, and he was able to see it.

And no one... It looked like some sort of, like, centrifuge, you know?

And so...

It made him curious, like if some of these Nazi scientists were experimenting with some sort of, I'm going to butcher like the science of it, but basically some way to like separate molecules that could create gravity manipulation, you know, create a system where more energy would come out than energy could go in.

And this is like the 40s, the 30s and 40s.

Yeah, this is like 1947.

at that point and we haven't been able to reach that true yeah nothing close well and that that's sort of what he is he got curious about yeah because if you fast forward and there's a lot of weird stuff in between but like if you fast forward to after the war there's operation paperclip

Right.

Where the U.S.

basically negotiated with like Wernher von Braun and all these like Nazi scientists.

Yeah.

And brought them to the U.S.

and basically gave them immunity.

But they're the ones who are sort of like the fathers of the modern American rocketry.