Jesse Michels

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Yeah, then you get into like a lot of these stories and you have, you know, in Hebrew, you know, Merkabah, you have the seven hekelot or seven palaces.

You know, in Egypt, you have the arit.

You know, in Sumeria, you have the ziggurat.

In Rosicrucianism, you have seven levels where you have to discard, you know, part of what you're wearing or whatever at every level.

There's always like a gift.

And, um, you have, you know, Thomas Merton, you know, the seven story mountain and you have, you have this, this weird recurrence of like seven and, you know, Islam, you have seven levels of heaven and, and, and, and I think seven levels of earth or something.

And so.

Maybe you could normalize the religions into... There's a really great book by a guy named Peter Levenda, and it's about these kind of prototypical kind of archetypal kind of Kabbalistic experiences underpinning a lot of these more esoteric forms of religion.

And, um, so that would be how you would connect like the DMT experiences, I think with the, um, you know, the high energy physics, because this is like a reckless way where you're like, you're like a, you know, you're like a child and you're like playing with something you're not supposed to.

And they're like taking the matches out of your hand or whatever.

And then this thing is like, you know, maybe it's not for anybody, not for everybody.

In fact, there's, uh, the, in the parable of the parties, which is, you know, the Kabbalistic, um,

tradition, there's something like, you know, four rabbis are trying to ascend, you know, up and walk with God.

And like, I want to say like, two go crazy, one die and one makes it or something.

And it's this straight and narrow path.

And actually at the end of St.

Francis of Assisi's life, he writes one letter in the Greek alphabet in his diary.

And it's the letter tau.

And Diana Pasolka says,