Jesse Michels

I think you can, you know, the inverse of that, you can say definitively the presentation of whatever happened is weird.

And it was sanitized and manicured and presented in a bizarre way.

And there was definitely some, you know, managing of that that was going on.

That's obvious.

And so I wonder if...

Maybe we did actually attempt or go, and maybe we just saw UFOs along the way, or maybe there's something very ontologically weird about the trip to space that's hard to come back with as far as a revelation to the public.

I don't know, but...

Grew up in Roswell, Apollo 14 astronaut.

He was very close with Wernher von Braun, who seemed really interested in UFOs as well.

He was the father of our space program, essentially.

He also says that the rocket program was helped.

And he was basically the father of German rocketry.

Right.

And he said that it was aided by these non-human beings.

Well, proof that NASA probably knows something, a thing or two internally about the UFO stuff.

And I know this is something you've looked into.

And I think my buddy Chris Ramsey might be doing an interesting follow-up with you on all this stuff.

Oh, yeah, Chris, right.

There's this Simpkinson photo around Gemini 11, that play, and there's maybe the best UFO photo you could ever ask for.

It's like a perfect UFO photo.