Jesse Michels

And, um, and so it's, it's full, it's, it's full of, of landmines, the space, to be honest.

Um, having said that,

You are a starseed.

Having said that, I am from Arcturus, actually.

Now, having said that, I do think there are a few people or a subset of people, I think, in society who care about, like, what is this soup that we're swimming in called reality?

What is this?

And they get into kind of esoteric physics.

And you're obviously in the subset, clearly, because I watch your show.

Hey, you love the soup.

You want to know what is the what is the substrate in which we are kind of operating?

And so you've had Donald Hoffman on and you explore why, you know, seeing reality for what it is, is actually maladaptive from like a, you know, survival standpoint.

I think there's this felt sense for a lot of those people and people generally that our understanding of reality is incomplete and off.

And I think if you start kind of in that epistemically humble, like with that sort of claim, then I think beings between man and God are a part of that.

Or beings, you know, if you don't believe in God, above man and the kind of, you know, the chain of consciousness command or, you know, the hierarchy, so to speak, I think is a part of that.

And I think there are all these empirical observable anomalies, both in science and that the military have observed, you know, that, you know, aerospace executives are talking about now that people in the highest ranks of, you know, American intelligence are now discussing very openly that point to our reality being just much trippier than meets the eye.

specifically with respect to us not being alone in the universe and non-human intelligence being real.

And so, again, maybe not adaptive for somebody day to day, but if you want to understand what is going on on kind of a higher level, I think it's dogmatic if you're not incorporating that into your model.

I love it.

Yeah, that's a great rug pull is a great way to put it.

I think it's funny.