Jesse Michels

Plus, you know, propulsion that, like, you know, exists in the classified world that is, you know, deep black, that, you know, is beyond our current, you know, prosaic capabilities.

And I would say both of those are interesting answers.

And then I would also say, okay, think about it.

And, like, a lot of this stuff deals with consciousness.

And, like, you know, these people in these, like, deep meditative states seem to see this stuff.

how would the spoofing technology somehow know how to correlate with like you being in a peak state consciousness-wise?

It doesn't really make sense.

And then the gravity stuff, it's like, okay, cool.

So we have new physics and the physics that, you know, physics we're using is fake or something.

Like, it's funny, actually, Elon Musk made this really interesting statement.

So he's always dogmatically opposed to the UFO topic, which I find very curious and interesting.

So he says that, what, if somebody were to know about them, I would?

He would.

Yeah, yeah.

And then I had Joe Rogan on my show, and I was like, okay, if you got him and David Grush on your show together, he goes, A, Elon wouldn't do it, and David Grush would win.

And he goes, Elon's a sly dog.

I know he knows more than he's saying about this stuff.

So, and like, look, say what you will about Joe.

I absolutely love him.

You know, you can say he's like biased pro UFO or whatever, but the guy has like a super interesting vantage point.