Jesse Michels

The show is always like compressed into like, you know, this you're a UFO show, you know, but I think really it's a it's what is the nature of reality and what is this paradigm shift we're on the verge of?

And so I think that's you could kind of come up with like an iron triangle sort of framework where you have one one leg, which is UFOs, the fact that we're not alone.

Another leg, which is maybe more exotic physics or anti-gravity.

So, okay, let's admit that we're seeing stuff in the sky.

Is it our own stuff?

You know, and maybe we've made some breakthroughs kind of, you know, in the classified world.

So like one of those is probably true.

And then the third leg, which I think you explore a lot, is consciousness.

And is this just like an interface?

And is reality actually much more malleable and kind of subjective and participatory, as John Wheeler would say, than we realize?

And I think if you can stay at the front of those three things, one's got to be right.

Right.

And you're sort of poking holes in the dam that is the existing paradigm.

You know, Thomas Kuhns wrote a book called The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, and he's often cited as like the preeminent guy when it comes to figuring out, you know, how scientific revolutions occur.

So like one example would be

electromagnetism in the 19th century.

Another example would be the quantum revolution or general relativity in the 20th century.

And in all of the cases, you see this law of declining marginal returns at the end of the paradigm, where you have all of these commentators being like, we're kind of at the end of history.

Like we've written all of the rules of reality, just like there are rules to the game of chess or something.

And we're trying to figure out that last piece.