Jesse Michels

And like, he's really smart.

I really like him.

But often it's one of those things where

So I agree with, you know, your point that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I do think a lot of people who aren't in UFO world assume that it's not a repeatable pattern.

They assume it's like random person in the middle of the woods or like, you know, a farmer who like sees the thing and then, you know, they're trying to like, they have some histrionic complex and they want to be famous in their local village or whatever.

And I think the nuclear thing is...

a good kind of path to go down for the skeptic because science has to be repeatable.

And you're talking about a repeatable phenomenon that we were talking earlier before the show.

Not only is this happening at nuclear bases across the United States, and you have literally declassified documents from the late 40s of the Air Force, the Army counter, you know, CIC, the CIA, all discussing this, the FBI, like literally from all these disparate agencies talking about UFOs showing up at these different sites.

you could say, you could come up with some sort of like, you know, okay, the guys working there are being brainwashed.

The documents are being forged.

It's like a US deep state thing, right?

PSYOP, yeah, yeah.

PSYOP, yeah.

And then you realize that there's literally a town in Japan called Lino, or it's called Eno rather, spelled L-I-N-O.

And it is right next to the Fukushima Prefecture,

where they have their civilian nuclear grid, which is famous for this 2011 spill that they had.

And basically, a large percentage of this town is obsessed with UFOs.

And you have this thing called Mount Sengon Mori there, which is this mountain...