Jesse Michels

where you have all these geomagnetic anomalies, you have all these sightings, you have all these people claiming to see UFOs, in certain cases, beings, and you have a museum dedicated to UFOs up there.

You have a famous 1995 case in Bariloche, Argentina, where a lot of UFOs seem to show up, and that's around their civilian energy grid.

You have similar claims around Chernobyl.

And so when you get into the, like...

Okay, is the monk at the Shinto temple in Japan coordinating with the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base?

It's like, all of a sudden, in science, you have a null hypothesis, which is that our baseline understanding of reality, our current model is real.

And you try to go in to any sort of hypothesis, maintaining the null hypothesis for as long as possible.

And I think you get into this territory where the null hypothesis becomes crazier than just admitting that there's some sort of phenomena at play.

So, like, what are we saying?

There's some sort of cabal that's, like, controlling the people in Japan that's also controlling the American military industrial complex.

You're all of a sudden getting into parapsychological, psychical levels of control that, like—

itself would be extremely worthy of investigation and, like, maybe I'm open to, but, like, that's a weird claim unto itself, right?

So I think that just following the data takes you to extremely epistemically weird places no matter what.

And then I would definitely not snap it to grid and say aliens from other planets.

Yeah.

In fact, they're good reasons to believe they're not aliens from other planets, and they're actually more connected to mankind than we think.

We're going to get into that.

I think it could be extremely aspirational because if you think about a lot of these stories, the aliens seem to be sort of telepathic.

have this sort of ability to manipulate reality that you could think of as being used nefariously, or you could think of as like really cool.

Like you could do a lot with the world if you had that sort of parapsychological mind meld with, you know, we say that,