Jesse Michels

I'm not sure.

Is it consciousness?

I don't know, but...

I think if you stay at the forefront of all three of those things, I think it's hard to go wrong.

It's wild, man.

Yeah.

I think the Department of Energy.

If you look at our most frontier weapons testing, it is the Department of Energy.

This is something that's a constant source of frustration with me because I've had...

Pretty high up people like in government say like, you figured out this crazy thing.

Like there's probably a there there or whatever.

I'm like, then what is going on?

Because like there's one line in the biography of Townsend Brown, who's this amazing book called The Man Who Mastered Gravity by a guy named Paul Shatskin.

And he's this just extremely enigmatic, interesting guy.

He literally parachutes in behind enemy lines to Nazi Germany to retrieve some tech at the end of the war.

He's close friends with William Stevenson and confidants with William Stevenson, who is...

He's Winston Churchill's super spy.

He's the inspiration for Ian Fleming's James Bond.

And he basically, you know, is in charge of the MI6 and helps form the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan in the U.S.

So, like, spooky, interesting figures.