Jesse Michels

And, you know, Townsend Brown is dealing with Curtis LeMay, who's chief of staff of the American Air Force.

He's dealing with all—he shows up at Martin Corporation the year that Skunk Works starts.

So Martin Corporation is pre-Lockheed Martin, what everybody knows today as our, you know, one of our biggest defense contractors responsible for all our stealth craft.

And the year that Skunk Works, their most secretive R&D division, forms, he happens to start working there, which is really interesting.

Yeah.

He's like this like zealot or Forrest Gump character in mid-century American politics and military and science where you're like, what is your deal?

And...

I think that if you look at, again, what we were talking about with the Atomic Energy Commission and the special definition of nuclear material, where if there's anything radiological, it gets sort of born secret.

National labs are often placed around these nuclear sites kind of strategically.

Where would you be working on the most frontier weapons science?

It would be next to...

nuclear assets make sense, right?

You just co-locate them.

You have like a lot of secrecy around both.

You create these sort of complexes where you have, you know, nuclear and you have that sort of stuff going on.

And so...

My suspicion would be that it would be DOE related.

And there's a line in that book about Townsend Brown, which freaks me out.

And it's like, this makes an H-bomb look like a child's firecracker.

And that's freaky.