Jesse Michels

And so my question when I'm in rooms with...

You know, often it's gaslighting.

Occasionally it's like, you know, with these sort of higher up people, it's like, yeah, you know, there's a there there on the Townsend Brown stuff.

And I'm like, OK, well, do we have a framework?

Like, if we're at parity with China on this sort of stuff and Russia on this sort of stuff, it's a tragedy that this isn't being used on civil side infrastructure.

We're in L.A.

right now.

If you look at LA and you were to flashback 40 years, it's the same LA.

It's the same exact infrastructure.

Like the world of the Jetsons did not come to fruition, right?

So you're telling me that we have something where, you know, an experiment where electromagnetism is the input and some sort of gravitational perturbation or propulsion is the output, right?

And that's, we're just sitting on that.

Okay.

Like maybe it makes sense if you have the extreme dual use implications of, you know, turning the H-bomb into the child's firecracker.

Like I would stop talking about it tomorrow if I knew that were the case.

And in a lot of cases, you know, that's what science is.

Like you think about nuclear fusion, controlled nuclear fusion could lead to free energy, but it's also the H-bomb when it's uncontrolled.

So often technology serves as this weird dual use forcing function for civilization to kind of, you know, up its game consciousness wise or whatever.

So my guess would be it's a long winded way of saying my guess would be it would be, you know, DOE and national labs.

And then my big issue on the whole thing is like.