Jesse Michels

The G-Lock or something like that.

Have you heard anything about the Gifted and Talented Education Program?

Okay.

Do you think any of this stuff, do UFOs ever come up in your research?

Do you think any of this relates to UFOs?

you're in good company yeah uh are you outranked me actually yeah i'm just a low level guy yeah you can you can uh you know look look very sane next to me so so i'm wearing a ridiculous shirt that says believe and alien on uh i'm wide open to aliens like uh

Well, also, if you think of UFOs as this like sacred tree, like a UFO itself is just a kind of a byproduct.

It's this like, you know, it's the tip of the iceberg, which is just this object that's flying in ways that we don't understand.

And then if you think of that as the tip of the spear on like a deeper kind of worldview, metaphysical worldview that is just much more expanded than this kind of materialist reductionist, you know, kind of overly scientific view that we have today.

uh i wonder if government or power structures think about people who are seeking truth and looking systematically into ufos as some some sort of like you know uh threat because it's inherently kind of in a reverent search it's you're looking for you know authority beyond the government or you're looking for again metaphysics that's very kind of expanded and so i do sometimes wonder if there are

There are initiatives in the government to kind of manufacture division and stoke conflict within the UFO community or instigate belief in sort of bizarre ways.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure there are too.

Yeah, I know enough.

It's going to be one or the other.

I know enough to know that there's some, aliens is a, you know, you are kind of being presumptuous by saying aliens as far as, you know, them being from another planet.

And I'm saying not you, I'm saying anybody.

And you're never presumptuous.

Now, you do stick with the facts.

I don't.