Jesse Michels

I don't mind going off.

Speculate.

That's what you have to do.

That's what you have to do with these things.

And I actually think it's irresponsible not to speculate if, per what you said, you're being given little bits and pieces of information strategically per these limited hangouts.

If you're not trying to figure out what's actually going on and you're just taking at face value what you're being given, that's an issue.

If you're being given the data set by somebody who's trying to throw you off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, that's the thing.

You have to sip on it and then say this Kool-Aid tastes bad and spit it out or something, you know.

So it's a really tough... These things are tough to look into because the people that are the bad actors are often the sources of information.

So it's a weird space.

But, yeah, I do wonder how much interaction the UFO stuff and the MKUltra stuff is.

I mean, okay, why don't we... There's zero in the MKUltra-related documents.

Yeah.

Not one word.

The only...

I think I can, yeah.

The only connection I have is I believe in Jacques Vallée.

Jacques Vallée is his famous French godfather.