Jesse Michels

You're aware of him, yeah.

He's this amazing UFO researcher.

He's the basis for Francois Truffaut's character in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

He was J. Allen Hynek's assistant in Blue Book.

And he was also one of the kind of early pioneers of the internet.

He helped build ARPANET under Doug Engelbart.

And he has these like series of diaries where he just writes about his meetings that he has and they're called Forbidden Science.

And he is like, I think five volumes at this point.

And he talked about, I believe, Sidney Gottlieb.

uh or some or like some of his some like people in the like the cia you know technical staff services like that world them having books on ufos and trying to understand what's going on with them right but like not really understanding what's going on with them so there's some sort of interest on the part of people who are clearly deeply implicated in the mind control stuff

in the UFO stuff.

And then that book I mentioned, Martin Cannon Controllers, he says abductions are just, like, alien abductions are just a smokescreen for MKUltra.

Like, the most famous abduction was Betty and Barney Hill, 1961.

They actually say, you know, in their hypnotic regression, the beings look like Nazis or whatever.

So then you get, oh, these are Operation Paperclip scientists brought over.

Right.

So, yeah.

You know what?

I think certain abductions have been that.

And then this is where it's so weird.