Jesse Michels

Did she, what were the career assignments?

Where did she go?

philippines i can't remember the whole list of places maybe taiwan i think probably it was over eastern asia yeah um the gifted and talented education program in the united states this often comes up as possibly related to some of these mind control experiments but being done systematically on young people you have

A lot of people now coming out saying they had me drink a pink drink that erased my memory, or I was told to stare at a sine wave and collapse the sine wave, or look at a piece of metal and see how I mentally interacted with the metal.

Sometimes being spun around on people's vestibular systems being messed with.

I think there's something called the

The G-Lock or something like that.

Have you heard anything about the Gifted and Talented Education Program?

Okay.

Do you think any of this stuff, do UFOs ever come up in your research?

Do you think any of this relates to UFOs?

you're in good company yeah uh are you outranked me actually yeah i'm just a low level guy yeah you can you can uh you know look look very sane next to me so so i'm wearing a ridiculous shirt that says believe and alien on uh i'm wide open to aliens like uh

Well, also, if you think of UFOs as this like sacred tree, like a UFO itself is just a kind of a byproduct.

It's this like, you know, it's the tip of the iceberg, which is just this object that's flying in ways that we don't understand.

And then if you think of that as the tip of the spear on like a deeper kind of worldview, metaphysical worldview that is just much more expanded than this kind of materialist reductionist, you know, kind of overly scientific view that we have today.

uh i wonder if government or power structures think about people who are seeking truth and looking systematically into ufos as some some sort of like you know uh threat because it's inherently kind of in a reverent search it's you're looking for you know authority beyond the government or you're looking for again metaphysics that's very kind of expanded and so i do sometimes wonder if there are

There are initiatives in the government to kind of manufacture division and stoke conflict within the UFO community or instigate belief in sort of bizarre ways.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure there are too.

Yeah, I know enough.