Jesse Michels

Is the implication of these psychiatrists who are causing trauma being on this false memory foundation?

Is it like they're gaslighting the people that they've traumatized by saying they're false memories?

Or like, what's the... Well, I think it's... This is now speculation too.

You said spun around and disoriented.

Why would, I mean, but doing that to our, it's horrible to do that to anyone.

Doing that to our own citizens feels even crazier.

Oh, interesting.

So it's like the like worst case outcome is you inflict a lot of pain on the person.

They give you vital information.

You break them.

The best case is that you can actually create some split personality or something and then send them back into their home turf, their home countries.

Jesus Christ.

That's gnarly, man.

I mean, that makes sense.

It makes sense.

The odds that it's never been done anywhere seem slim to me.

Yeah, no.

It's very weird.

Speaking of kind of couriers that are split off from some hermetically sealed, almost encrypted part of themselves that's carrying a message into kind of deep foreign territory, one of the craziest stories from your book is about a woman named Candy Jones.

What's her deal?