Jesse Michels
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Yeah.
Piles of money.
He was the Victoria's Secret founder and CEO.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, there you go.
And then but but also I believe in the 80s or 90s, Les Wexner is writing in his diary and he's talking about being haunted by a divock.
And a Dybbuk is, uh, I think in Hebrew, it means demon.
And so you get into this, these, you know, weird territory where it's like, you're not even doing this for your own sick, sadistic, twisted, you know, pleasure.
You're doing this because you're doing the bidding of some higher, you know, even more evil.
Well, speaking of supernatural entities.
Not at all.
It's not.
Who cares?
You know, maybe we'll get to that at some point.
But no, it's funny.
One of the people you mentioned in the documents as far as, you know, psychiatrists deeply implicated in MKUltra is a guy named Michael Persinger.
And do you know about his god helmet?
The Persinger god helmet?
Tell us about that.