Jesse Michels

Salinger.

Oh, interesting.

Like the book triggered.

Oh, Jesus.

Maybe.

That is wild.

Well, I think Sirhan Sirhan, going back to the Robert F. Kennedy thing, I believe he was writing in his diary at the time, like,

Speaking of trauma foundation, you read some of these Epstein files and you start to go beyond this is just sick, you know, pedophile elite powerful people fulfilling their bizarre fantasies.

And into a territory of their systematically conditioning some of these young people and creating what you called the trauma foundation so that these people are susceptible and impressionable to future sort of manipulation.

Do you think there was some sort of undercurrent there with the Epstein thing?

Pretty bizarre, man.

It's a weird world.

You read that stuff and you're like, oh my God.

Like it really, not only does it sort of vindicate the super conspiracy theorists, like people who believed in Pizzagate, because it looks like jerky and hot dog, like these foods were like code words for children and stuff.

It was just gross.

Not only is it vindication for that, but it's vindication for people who I think...

viewed like the world more metaphysically and thought elite power structures weren't just vying for power, but maybe we're doing the bidding of some like evil entities above them.

Like what would drive anybody to do these sorts of things?

It's, you know, it's like, I think less Wexner who was Epstein's, like one of his closest associates.

And I think, you know, you like provided him with a house in Ohio and stuff and like, you know, the money.