Jesse Michels

That's the other question.

Yeah, you call it runaway, but maybe it is always plausible deniability for the president.

Who knows?

I mean, you do have this famous speech, obviously, Eisenhower gives, beware of the military-industrial complex, and you have to wonder if he was referring to groups like that, but...

Okay, so we're just knocking them down as far as sacred cow assassinations, and they just all seem to be related to MKUltra.

You know, one person that people wonder about all the time, not in the kind of political realm, but in the cultural realm, is the icon...

John Lennon, you know, the lead singer of the Beatles, who was this obviously counterculture hero, was probably viewed as a threat, you know, by J. Edgar Hoover and other people.

So tell me about his killer.

And was he possibly an MK Ultra patient?

Mark David Chapman.

The MPD for the audience is?

Did one of the personalities, was it saying you have to kill John Lennon?

So why do we think that he possibly was MKUltra and not just like, you know, multiple personality disorder you might associate with some sort of generic mental illness or something?

Okay, so hard to say there.

Well, is there anything else, any other evidence besides just having multiple personality disorder?

Let's see.

Oh, Catcher in the Rye.

Catcher in the Rye.

Yeah, yeah.

J.D.