Jesse Michels

J. Edgar Hoover?

They were straight guys.

Oh, exactly.

Well, speaking of the, you know, kind of proverbial, you know.

Except he wasn't exactly totally straight.

Well, he was a cross, he was into cross-dressing and they had all this compliment on him.

Well, it's always, it's always this sort of narcissism of small differences, weird thing going on.

So, but the point, like he had it out for counterculture, right?

And so this is what Tom O'Neill concludes in his book is they're going to construct somebody that looks like a hippie in Charles Manson who literally had, he was like this wannabe artist.

He has a song called Look at Your Game Girl.

He's living with the Beach Boys.

Right.

And then, um, you have, you know, uh, this, you know, famous quote by Joan Didion right after the murders, saying, you know, August, I think it was the 8th, 1968, was the, you know, the day that the, or maybe 1969, I don't remember, was the day that the 60s ended.

The day that he, you know, committed the murders, the next day, the 60s ended.

Counterculture, hippie culture, all that stuff's over.

So the threat is over if you're, you know, part of the establishment structure.

And so you have to wonder, again, with this connection with Charlton Heston and gun violence, was Jolly West specifically stoking symbolic violence, violence where you were creating local violence?

in order to move society in a specific teleology.

Like if you look at certain violent things that happen now, they get amplified so much across social media, whether it's Kyle Rittenhouse on the right or George Floyd on the left.

I'm not making a comment on either of those things.