Jesse Michels

The next day, they're reviewing the footage, and they see a saucer wrapping around the dummy nuclear payload or the reentry vehicle, and lasers being shot at it.

And it starts to get wobbly, and then it basically –

leaves orbit because of this UFO, which interferes with it.

And these two guys in tweed gray jackets are like sitting behind Bob Jacobs.

They basically swear him to secrecy.

They say, you're never to speak about this again.

They make him sign an NDA.

He is then, he eventually goes public with this.

He's threatened.

He's intimidated.

Somebody calls him and says like,

mailbox alight, what a beautiful sight or something, and his mailbox blows up, they delete his records from... They say he never served in the Air Force.

And that was literally like, as a researcher, you couldn't really say he did necessarily serve as the Air Force until...

The guy who managed him, this guy, Florence Mansman, this major in the Air Force, comes out in the 90s.

I think he's affiliated with Stanford at the time.

And he's like, no, Bob Jacobs not only worked for me, he managed 130 people.

And he's alive today.

You can talk to him.

Like, he's this very...

salt of the earth, like not a liar, you know?