Jesse Michels

So I think it's important to be cognizant of that.

But if there is, uh,

you know, are they there beings between man and God?

I think that's aspirational.

And, you know, is that the next evolution of mankind that is sort of atemporal, that has sort of, you know, access to a time agnostic realm where you're not subject to Zeno's arrow of time, where every time you get out of the stream, you're in a different place.

And we're kind of, you know, speaking of soup, we're stuck in this kind of epistemic soup of, you know, um,

of time, essentially.

You know, I think all of that's like really exciting.

I think it's humbling because it's like, okay, what is this reality we're in?

Maybe it's actually more limited in scope than we realize, you know, and that obviously dovetails with, you know, Don Hoffman and some of the other people you've had on where physics is more of an adaptive interface for us.

It is not, it's the map.

It is not the territory.

So you end up with all of these like interesting kind of second order questions that come from it that I think are extremely healthy to ask as a human being.

Yeah, I mean, I think...

That's probably likely.

Like, we're probably seeing... I mean, a la the Hoffman stuff, not to quote him too much, but it's like, we're probably... Like, we are probably not seeing reality itself.

We're probably seeing kind of an adaptive, low-level version of reality.

And, like, you can go back to Plato, where, like, you're seeing shadow play.

You're seeing simulacra of something sort of higher going on.

And so...