Jesse Michels

The guy who was convening that whole thing, who is the patron of the Institute of Field Physics at the University of North Carolina, was a guy named Agnew Bonson.

And the president of the University of North Carolina at the time was a guy named Gordon Gray.

Gordon Gray oversaw the kangaroo courts which stripped Oppenheimer of his Q clearance.

He was an extreme intel insider and very high up, not only at the CIA, but a part of, at the time, what was called the 5412 Commission, which was

Basically, this interagency coordination group, which you could call kind of like I think they ended up being somewhat responsible for the death of JFK indirectly, like this like breakaway like intel organization, which initially was so the president could gain plausible deniability on doing things that might not be the best look for him, probably domestically.

And I think it turned into this runaway kind of continuity of government group.

But so Gordon Gray is literally president of UNC at that time, you know, North Carolina.

And then Agnew Bonson, who literally wrote a science fiction book called The Stars Are Too High about man-made UFOs right before he died in a freak plane accident, is overseeing all of these top physicists.

And they are looking into gravity.

It's a conference on gravity.

And Lewis Witten and a lot of, you know, Lewis Witten, who's the father of the greatest string theorist of our time, Ed Witten, who worked at Martin Corporation's like secret anti-gravity outfit is there.

You know, and so, and he, if you email him to this day, he goes, I can't talk about anti-gravity or whatever.

Like he'll freak out about that.

And then what's really crazy is in the back room, while this is going on, while we're trying to figure out theoretically,

what's happening with gravity.

And by the way, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Wright Airfield, which is center of all the UFO lore, they're also, they have a theoretical physics group looking into anti-gravity.

This whole era in the 50s is obsessed with anti-gravity.

While they're theoretically looking at it, you have Agnew-Bonson, the Institute of Field Physics, North Carolina, the same exact group

funding this guy named townsend brown doing experiments around anti-gravity and you have video of townsend brown in the lab popping champagne ostensibly because he got a positive result around these anti-gravity experiments

And a year before that, you have him doing similar experiments in a vacuum chamber.