Jesse Zhang

And if you just think about like the cost, yeah, the cost of the jacket and just how much people get paid, it's like trivial.

But it just creates like this, hey, we're working towards these jackets.

It brings the teams together because now it feels like everyone's working together towards this common goal.

That's been a big part of our culture is just finding what is the next milestone.

I think what has become almost a meme or hyped up a lot in AI startups right now are like a couple of things.

One, obviously everyone's in person.

It's like 996 or whatever.

I don't actually think 996 is that healthy.

It happens in China and everyone's like super hardcore.

But one of the reasons is that no one has jobs over there.

So it's very easy for employers to have leverage.

I think here you generally want to maintain a good balance because if you're working super high intensity jobs,

Need time to relax a little bit.

But that is one element.

The other element is the forward-point engineers.

So everyone's talking about forward-point engineers.

And yeah, I think it's kind of funny because my co-founder came from Palantir, so they actually have forward-point engineers.

What a forward plane engineer at Palantir means is you're working on a $10, $25 million deal.

And so you're actually just almost full-time working with either one or a small number of customers and building very specifically for that.

And I think people are a little bit conflating that with what startups do, which is startups are just very hands-on and do things on a low scale.