Jessica Badalana
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2 series
first heard Apr 2025
last heard 5 Jun
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I don't want to say it, but it's true because you can get quite ill from eating raw cookie dough and not just like a bellyache because you've eaten too much raw cookie dough, but because flour is an agricultural product. You know, it's a raw product. King Arthur flour never gets heat treated. So therefore, it's possible that There could be contaminants on it that would be killed in cooking.
So the flour is a risk. The eggs are a risk for the same reason. They're a raw product. So unfortunately, we have to say no to raw dough. What a bummer. I mean, I know that there are companies now that are making edible chocolate chip cookie dough, and those are safe to eat because that flour has been heat treated. But there's no reliable way to make it.
I mean, the good news, Flora, is that, you know, it is safe to eat chocolate chips. You can eat those by the handful out of the bag. By the handful. Tell your parents, Flora. It's a hack and a snack.
The more you want a chocolate chip cookie.
Well, you know, I'm not trying to be like, I'm not intentionally trying to poke the bear here, but I do not like, and in fact, I would go so far as to say, I think are bad. Okay. Warm chocolate chip cookies. I know. I know.
Well, so you and I had gone to a cookie establishment. Mm-hmm. That shall not be named, I assume. That shall not be named. And we had tried a bunch of the cookies and by design, the cookies are served warm. You know, they're baked frequently and then they're put on like heated mats so they stay warm.
But I don't, you know, when people are like showing the chocolate chip cookie that they're like breaking in half and like they're real melty and soft, like fresh out of the oven. No, thank you.
Oh, certainly not. Never.
No, I mean, I like, I still want my chocolate to be like, not hard, right? Like I want there to still be some like chocolate pooling. But I think the overall textural experience for me is better when cookies have had say like, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes to cool.
So they're like, you know, they're solidly room temperature on the warm side of room temperature, but they're not like a molten cookie experience. Yeah. I think what I don't like about a warm chocolate chip cookie is that there is no sort of textural contrast, right? Like it's just sort of like raw dough. You know, there's not like a distinction between the edge and the middle.
It just feels like an underdone to me in a way that I don't find appealing.
Now you're getting a Jess opinion.
So I don't know. I mean, are we going to get hate mail? I don't know what's going to happen.
David, before we go, I want to tell you about something I learned while working on this episode. There is a chocolate chip cookie that is so special, it's in a museum.
It may not be the freshest cookie you've ever eaten. The cookie is at the Udvar-Hazy Center at the National Air and Space Museum in Virginia. And that's the museum that also houses the Space Shuttle Discovery and lots of other notable air and space artifacts.
And the reason that there's a cookie there is because this chocolate chip cookie does not fly, but it was the first thing ever baked in space.
It is a notable achievement because as you can imagine, there's a lot of challenges when it comes to baking in space in a zero gravity environment. So I called up Ian and Jordana Fichtenbaum, who are the co-founders and co-chefs of this space technology company called Zero-G Kitchen.
And they were curious to see if it was possible to design a zero gravity oven that would work on the International Space Station. And when I asked them about Why chocolate chip cookies? Although the answer to me is quite obvious.
You know, they thought like if you were going to be away from home for a year, like what food item, what baked food item would bring more comfort and joy than a chocolate chip cookie, which I think is true. Totally. But until now, the technology hasn't existed to actually freshly bake something. So in 2019, the oven, along with frozen discs of chocolate chip cookie dough, were sent to space.
And the astronauts who are working on the International Space Station then take the frozen pucks of chocolate chip cookie dough. They put them in like a silicone pouch. And the silicone pouch prevents like flyaway crumbs, but also is vented to release steam. Mm-hmm. And they put them in the center of the oven and nobody knew what was going to happen.
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