Jessica Tarlov

And there's been a lot of coverage of

You know, Venezuelans here in America and at home in Venezuela are rejoicing to see Maduro gone.

But it was particularly interesting to me, the Venezuelans in Florida, for instance, they were asked, I think it was on CNN, you know, are you going to go visit now?

Do you want to go home?

And they said, no, we can't go home.

I mean, Delce Rodriguez is...

They didn't say Maduro in a skirt.

But, you know, it's the same administration.

It's the same military, the same actors.

And I found it really interesting kind of watching the relationship with Maria Machado, the opposition leader who just won the Nobel Prize, which Donald Trump was very jealous of, you know, fracturing.

And we didn't know exactly why that happened.

had happened.

And the Journal, Wall Street Journal in particular, has done really good reporting on this.

But over the course of months, basically, the U.S.

administration and Rick Grinnell in particular, who was the envoy, were in conversations with her about, like, what's the plan, right?

So if you are in charge, how are you going to corral all of the key stakeholders?

Is the military going to report to you, key business leaders, politicians?

And that apparently she didn't have a good enough answer.

So it looked like

Delcy Rodriguez was the only option if they wanted to take Maduro out.