Jessica Tarlov

It hurts my soul that we have a president that thinks that cable news, like chat show, is such real life to him, that he can develop these kinds of opinions.

And then also, like...

You're my president, too, right?

Like, I am saying this for everybody that he shits on.

Like, when he says to Caitlin Collins, like, you should smile more.

When he goes after, you know, the fake news media, when they target individuals.

It's like the job is to govern for all of us, even if we don't like you.

And he just constantly misses the bar.

I mean, he can't even see the bar.

See you later.

I mean, I would like to talk axis of evil with you and talk about the lessons that we, and you especially, having been part of the Bush administration, you know, gleaned from that.

Welcome to Raging Moderates.

I'm Jessica Tarlow.

And my guest today is David Frum from The Atlantic.

He's the host of The David Frum Show podcast, as well as, are you contributing editor or senior editor?

What's the right title for The Atlantic?

Staff writer extraordinaire.

Thank you for being here.

It's great to see you again.

Lots of news.