Jessie Stephens

But does it kind of have a real life implication?

Do you think...

I wonder that young women feel very scrutinized anyway, right?

Out in the world all the time.

And people feel more entitled or more enabled to say, empowered maybe is the word, to say to them, you know, whether it's smile or whether it's like something about their mood or their posture or what they're wearing or whatever.

Is it kind of that blown up to 11?

Yeah.

It's really interesting because I've spoken a lot about how you feel that lens really, really hard on your daughter, on young girls as they get older.

That lens only intensifies.

Oh, wow.

because then it's a lot of opinions about everything they're wearing and what they're doing and by that time I think a lot of girls have obviously just internalized the fact that they are constantly being scrutinized and I think I don't know it's real sometimes I wonder about my own complicity in that though because I definitely tell both my kids all the time to be very polite and if it's

a stranger talks to you or like whenever you're in public is always be nice, always be polite, always say thank you, always say hello and da-da-da-da-da.

And you can see that my daughter probably takes that or when she was little took that on more than my son because what you're also telling them is never cause trouble, don't be the ripple, don't be the squeaky wheel, like just remove yourself if things get complicated.

You are.

And that's why I remember when Chapel Roan, the musician, the artist, yelled at red carpet photographers last year.

And she was having a moment where she was the biggest musician in the world, but the world had suddenly decided she was a brat.

Mm-hmm.

And that was one of the moments that contributed to that because she basically said to them, stop yelling at me, stop pointing at me and telling me where to stand.

I don't like it.

And I remember us talking about it on the show at the time and saying something like it kind of feels refreshing that there are these young women who are like, no, like you don't get to tell me to smile.