Jill Winterstein

And I just sat down with a mini driver.

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all.

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Are you guys surrogacy too, or just IVF?

Just IVF.

Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that, but I have a lot of problems with IVF, albeit while acknowledging the fruit.

I'm glad you're both alive.

And so that must be celebrated.

So it's a very, I'll explain the difficulty, but please continue.