Jillian Michaels

I'm saying, can you see this issue?

What do we do about it?

Um, well, do you think it's a problem?

I think it's a problem.

I mean, I think there are a lot of problems.

I think one of the problems is the assumption that everything that has to do with, um, with, with food and its lack of health correlates with fatness because we are saying body positivity again.

Well, we are saying body positivity and body positivity includes all kinds of ways of being in a body, right?

Not just body size.

It includes all of the things about disability and skin color and hair texture and all of the things, right?

Body positivity.

But we really have been coding that in this conversation to talk about body size.

And you can understand.

Okay, I actually didn't think body positivity, to be dead honest with you, I've never interpreted body positivity to be about skin color or gender ideology.

I really never did.

I didn't.

But some of the people who started body positivity and practice it today and talk about the values that have meaning for them.

I don't think anybody sees it that way.

That is not a part of the movement.

I think the general presumption

The general presumption is that it must focus on weight and weight loss because that's a bigger narrative in the culture than some of the other stuff.