Jillian Michaels

And when you see- It's still a separate issue though.

I'm trying to say that the ways body positivity suggests people deal with body issues and trauma

is an oversimplification, and it has to do with things like intuitive eating principles that get misrepresented by influencers.

Okay, I can definitely agree with that.

Unfortunately, you and I are so far on the same page.

Well, the way I see it is that body positivity is actually the bridge between health experts and anybody else, really.

Explain it.

Because I think that...

If I go to a doctor, it should be empowering for me to talk about my body.

Of course.

However, when I usually speak to a health expert, it's really not.

I'm really more just afraid that they're going to speak to me in a way that degrades my body and makes me feel that shame that you've mentioned.

Shame is not a motivator.

It really turns people away.

Whereas the body positivity movement teaches people to have the kind of confidence they need to make choices for themselves.

How do they teach you that?

When you look at yourself in the mirror and you tell yourself, I'm ugly, I'm fat, I'm gross, I don't deserve to be alive.

Some people get to that extent, right?

I understand.

When you do that to yourself, that is not going to motivate you to then go make the choices that I think we all know are healthy for us.