Jillian Michaels

You seem to have some understanding of the psychological elements to this.

Some of it rings true for me.

Some of it doesn't.

I'm 100% here for that, but it has to start there.

And that's what I think is so important is we're both like, okay, so where do we go?

The next thing I would say to you is what rings true for you and then what doesn't?

So I would continue to explore this.

So my question to you is when you watch that talk and you hear all the things that were said, what comes up for you that feels on target?

And to clarify, John, real quick, also where to do some work.

So if I could address just one thing you said right there where you're talking about your divorce.

Another thing to feel ashamed about.

That's something I would explore with you.

Why do you feel ashamed about that?

What comes up for you there?

I've been through divorce and it was really hard and really awful and I felt horrible for my children but I'm not ashamed of it.

So this is something that is sitting with you.

Why?

And I think there's

A place that we could help you evolve out of pain.

The shame is telling you, I have pain here.