Jillian Michaels

What I'm telling you is that I don't define my worth on the ways in which external.

No, fully agree with you there.

Because I can't change that.

I can change how I respond to it.

I can change how I feel about it.

But you are trying to change the world because something is.

And it does, but we can't rely on that for your feeling of well-being.

Who's relying on that?

Plenty of people.

Do you realize 74% of the country is overweight or obese?

I'm curious about what your definition of body positivity is, because you're talking about shame, and you're talking about personal feelings and emotion, and I have a little bit different of a definition of body positivity.

Some of yours.

When I think about the body positivity movement, I actually think about its roots in the fat rights movement, which is where I work.

In the 60s, yeah.

In the 60s.

I run NAFA, which is a fat organization that was founded in the 60s.

And when I think about the folks who have been using that terminology since the 70s, 80s, 90s, not just the people who kind of popped up using it on Instagram and Tumblr in the 2000s, but that it has this long, long history.

That long, long history is actually about body justice.

It's not just about individual feelings.

It's not just about, you know, my mother-in-law said something to me at dinner or my, you know, this guy didn't want to date me because I was fat.